It's really sad that a certain blogger cannot pass up one opportunity to try to promote hate against Kathie Briggs. WHY does this blogger HATE Kathie Briggs so much? This person tries so hard to make herself out to be some kind of martyr, when in my opinion what she shows herself to be is one of the most vile, disgusting, evil people I have had the misfortune to come across in my lifetime.
Her devotion to promoting hate against a grandmother who did everything she could to protect her grandchild, to get someone with the POWER to help save her grandchild to listen and to DO something....is truely not only disheartening and evil but downright scary. I pray daily for God to protect Kathie and her family.
Maybe it's jealousy?? Jealousy makes people do strange and evil things. I don't know what it is, what drives her DAILY to either make the implications, or directly post outright lies, stupid allegations, misrepresentations of the truth....it's always something....daily. That is what a true stalker does. That site is monitored daily by Kathie's attorneys, they are also concerned for the well being and safety of Kathie and her family.
You have to wonder about the mental stability of a person who does these things. One who has so many websites you wonder how there is enough time to keep them all up....something posted on one site, on another....totally different words about the same thing as the other site...scary.
This person whines about how rough her life is because of this person and that person, then several blogs later blames it on yet another person....the one she has "given everything up for". If you become so obsessed with a person that it hurts your family life, your personal life, your career.....there's a serious problem. When you lose your home because of financial difficulties because of your obsession...there's a serious problem. But that person has no one to blame but themselves. Although they try to blame it on everyone and everything else. Sad.
One by one the supporters following RD that have been manipulated, outright lied to, intentionally mislead and had the real facts presented to them being twisted and misrepresented are finding out how bad they have been manipulated, lied to, etc. and they are dropping their support one by one. People don't like to be lied to and made out to be fools by someone they have believed and put their faith in. I feel sorry for those that have been lied to and manipulated by this same person. And it all reflects back to Raye Dawn and the Smith clan. People are opening their eyes and seeing the real truth. After the book, "Who Killed Kelsey?" is released, they will lose more support for RD. When it comes back with the decision that there will NOT be a new trial for RD, there's not going to be many supporters left to care. Sad for Raye Dawn, really. Most of those that have withdrawn their support have come to see that at the very least Raye Dawn knew, most have come to the conclusion that she did it.
Please pray for the safety and well being of Kathie and her family. Things are going to get way worse before they get any better, and their is grave concern for their safety in the near future. God Bless...
Thursday, March 25, 2010
Monday, March 22, 2010
Gone Too Soon....
Seems like it's always the good people that go too soon...way before their time...way sooner than we want to let them go. Life is short...you never know what tomorrow will bring.
I just found out yesterday about Beth McGuire. I'm so sorry for her daughter's loss. She is now missing the best part of her life...her mommy. I wish Beth would have found peace with her parents before she left this life. They now have to live with what they did, the pain and misery they caused her. I didn't know Beth well, but she seemed like such a good mother to her child, she was truely the light in Beth's eyes.
My daughter lost one of her good friends this past Wed. Twenty seven years old and three little girls that she left behind. She finally got out of an abusive relationship and now this. I really hope they find that her life wasn't taken by her baby's father....but how really will they know? The beatings take their toll, and according to everyone her seizures got worse after the beatings, so maybe he contributed to her death by his violence if he didn't outright do it. How sad for Nicole and her children. I will forever be grateful to her for being such a great friend to my daughter. Her words of encouragement and her advice only days before her death, have stuck with my daughter and she has made a big change for the better in her life because of Nicole. My daughter realizes now that life is too short to go through it unhappy and not to waste precious time. May God be with Nicoles children and give them peace and understanding in life.
Rest In Peace Beth and Nicole....God Bless your family's and your children....
I just found out yesterday about Beth McGuire. I'm so sorry for her daughter's loss. She is now missing the best part of her life...her mommy. I wish Beth would have found peace with her parents before she left this life. They now have to live with what they did, the pain and misery they caused her. I didn't know Beth well, but she seemed like such a good mother to her child, she was truely the light in Beth's eyes.
My daughter lost one of her good friends this past Wed. Twenty seven years old and three little girls that she left behind. She finally got out of an abusive relationship and now this. I really hope they find that her life wasn't taken by her baby's father....but how really will they know? The beatings take their toll, and according to everyone her seizures got worse after the beatings, so maybe he contributed to her death by his violence if he didn't outright do it. How sad for Nicole and her children. I will forever be grateful to her for being such a great friend to my daughter. Her words of encouragement and her advice only days before her death, have stuck with my daughter and she has made a big change for the better in her life because of Nicole. My daughter realizes now that life is too short to go through it unhappy and not to waste precious time. May God be with Nicoles children and give them peace and understanding in life.
Rest In Peace Beth and Nicole....God Bless your family's and your children....
Friday, March 5, 2010
Whale Trainer
Reflecting back on the events of the last couple of days, I want to touch on one thing. Dawn Brancheau was the shark trainer recently killed at SeaWorld by one of the killer Whales she trained. The reference by Wendy about Kathie becoming a "whale trainer" was wrong on sooo many levels. Yet another level is the disrespect to Dawn Brancheau and her family. Making light of the death of this woman is disgusting to me. My heart goes out to this woman's family. Her sister did state that she wouldn't want the whale put down because of this incident. Although she was married, she had no children and her sister said she thought of the whales she worked with as her children. What a sad thing to happen to anyone. Reference made to it happening to another person is just plain sick.
I hope everyone has a good weekend. The weather was exceptionally nice today and is supposed to be throughout the weekend. Enjoy it.
I hope everyone has a good weekend. The weather was exceptionally nice today and is supposed to be throughout the weekend. Enjoy it.
Thursday, March 4, 2010
The TRUTH about the real people supporing Raye Dawn Smith....
I don't do websites and don't know how to do all this right, so this was done in two parts.
Let people run at the mouth and eventually they get bold and they show their true colors, and their REAL side comes out...the REAL person behind the personas they show to the public is finally displayed. Nothing is more disgusting than for people to hide behind the Bible, God and religion, put on a bogus show for the public and when behind closed doors turn into the evil,cruel, sorry people that they are. Can you say HYPOCRITE? I've said it before and stand behind what I said about this and to those I called hypocrites on my previous entries.
NOW they will be revealed for the trash talking, vile, cruel, disgusting people they REALLY are. No holds barred. Plain & simple....the truth about the REAL people who are behind and supporting Raye Dawn Smith. This is surely something for the Smith family to be proud of, and something that will make Raye Dawn's attorney proud to have fighting for, speaking for and supporting his client.
Here are just a FEW of the screenshots that someone was kind enough to share.
Let people run at the mouth and eventually they get bold and they show their true colors, and their REAL side comes out...the REAL person behind the personas they show to the public is finally displayed. Nothing is more disgusting than for people to hide behind the Bible, God and religion, put on a bogus show for the public and when behind closed doors turn into the evil,cruel, sorry people that they are. Can you say HYPOCRITE? I've said it before and stand behind what I said about this and to those I called hypocrites on my previous entries.
NOW they will be revealed for the trash talking, vile, cruel, disgusting people they REALLY are. No holds barred. Plain & simple....the truth about the REAL people who are behind and supporting Raye Dawn Smith. This is surely something for the Smith family to be proud of, and something that will make Raye Dawn's attorney proud to have fighting for, speaking for and supporting his client.
Here are just a FEW of the screenshots that someone was kind enough to share.
The TRUTH about the REAL PEOPLE supporting Raye Dawn Smith....
Were they just having "fun"? At whose expense? I don't consider Wendy asking if Lance has "hung himself yet" as anything to make fun of. And she goes around quoting scriptures to people? Amazingly sad. She also makes reference of Kathie becoming a "whale trainer", after it just being in the news about the whale trainer who was KILLED by a whale she worked with. How disgusting. And this is a God fearing Christian woman? Really. I don't believe calling people "skanks" is very Christian-like either. People she doesn't even know.
Of course the rest of them fall in line with the talk of death to the Briggs family members. Kylie talking about how dangerous kangaroos are and how they can "kill" a man, and she wants to send one to the Briggs?? And how is Danielle accessing Lance's military records? I don't believe the military is going to be very happy with her postings.
And just a couple of days ago, Wendy posted this on another blog....
"Their typical M.O. is to set up a dialogue. When you answer their dialogue, they spew forth nasty name calling (I don't allow my child to name call and call other children on it - meaning no more play dates at my house!) and then pass their "personal" judgment of how we are mindless "skanks" (using their words again). It isn't worth the energy to even dialogue with them. Now if I chose to respond in anger about the character of someone, I don't expect to have a screen shot taken."
So she doesn't allow her children to name call but Mom can do it. You call that setting a good example? It's ok for HER to respond in anger to someone and name call, but no one else can do the same? Imagine that.
Another part of her recent post...
"When I respond to a blog, they don't answer my question in the response section in a civil or decent way. They say something like, "This is what my blog is about today." Then they create a blog all about me and do their best to insult me and make themselves look all wise and powerful. This shows me how little they value themselves personally. it is all about their self-esteem unfortunately. I have news for them all. They do not know me. Their opinion means little to me. However, it shows exactly what kind of people they are. Back stabbing, internet spying hypocrites."
What is this saying then about HER self esteem? or self value? Hypocrites? I guess she needs to look up the definition of Hypocrite.
Another part of her post...
"So whenever they now offer their opinion, I find it increasingly difficult to listen to because they have not proven to me to be people of common sense and decency. You can't sell something you believe to be truthful when your actions show a lack of integrity and character. Plain and simple.
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Laughter in the morning is good.....LOL
Ok, So I'm reading the smoking bomb affidavits regarding the jury in RD's trial and am getting a good chuckle to start the day off with. This crap is what they are soo proud of and relying on to get her a new trial??? lol Holy Moly Batman!!!
I'm not going to reply to each one, just a couple.
Exhibit C....
"Ms. Oldham told Mr.(name's blacked out) she was going to....."
"Ms. Oldham admitted to Mr. (name's blackedout) that she would...." "She also admitted to my roommate, Mr. (name's blackedout) that she reviewed Kelsey Briggs' website during the trial" *note* "KP was NOT up during the trial and this can be proven. It was not accessible during that time. Whatever "Kelsey Briggs website she was supposedly visiting was not KP.
"Ms. Oldham told Mr." (name blackedout)
I think you get my point....this is "hearsay", the affidavit should be from "Mr. (name blackedout) NOT from someone else. This affidavit is useless as evidence in a court of law. I am very surprised at some of these that Jone's is using. But guess something is better than nothing.
Statements in Exhibit E (I guess there is no identifying Exhibit letter on the page) that the personal "opinion" of the person writing the affidavit is that two jurors already had their minds made up and the reasons given by this person are not "PROOF", ONLY opinion. "I believe that"...is not any proof of their opinion.
Exhibit F...
"I heard that after the verdict was announced, the Briggs family...."
"I heard that Lance Briggs...."
Again, another worthless "affidavit" because this person didn't hear this for themselves but was TOLD these things...these statements are "hearsay" and worthless as evidence.
Not anything that I can see in ANY of these affidavits to warrant a new trial, they are all a joke and show a VERY desperate try at finding something, anything at all to use. Sad in my opinion.
I'm not going to reply to each one, just a couple.
Exhibit C....
"Ms. Oldham told Mr.(name's blacked out) she was going to....."
"Ms. Oldham admitted to Mr. (name's blackedout) that she would...." "She also admitted to my roommate, Mr. (name's blackedout) that she reviewed Kelsey Briggs' website during the trial" *note* "KP was NOT up during the trial and this can be proven. It was not accessible during that time. Whatever "Kelsey Briggs website she was supposedly visiting was not KP.
"Ms. Oldham told Mr." (name blackedout)
I think you get my point....this is "hearsay", the affidavit should be from "Mr. (name blackedout) NOT from someone else. This affidavit is useless as evidence in a court of law. I am very surprised at some of these that Jone's is using. But guess something is better than nothing.
Statements in Exhibit E (I guess there is no identifying Exhibit letter on the page) that the personal "opinion" of the person writing the affidavit is that two jurors already had their minds made up and the reasons given by this person are not "PROOF", ONLY opinion. "I believe that"...is not any proof of their opinion.
Exhibit F...
"I heard that after the verdict was announced, the Briggs family...."
"I heard that Lance Briggs...."
Again, another worthless "affidavit" because this person didn't hear this for themselves but was TOLD these things...these statements are "hearsay" and worthless as evidence.
Not anything that I can see in ANY of these affidavits to warrant a new trial, they are all a joke and show a VERY desperate try at finding something, anything at all to use. Sad in my opinion.
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Please read and sign this petition!
"http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/government-wont-intervene-to-save-child"
YES, Porter HAS done wrong...
The implications by the friend of another blogger amuse me. Another person that runs around smacking people on the head with her bible and quoting scripture every time you turn around. I honestly believe that some of these hypocrites really need to learn how to "read" and understand what the words mean when they read them, instead of learing words just to quote for bible thumping purposes.
How did I go "out of my way" to explain those things? I merely wrote about them and my opinions, same as the rest of you. lol And call me a "Kathie supporter", I don't care. I'd rather support Kathie who has never lied to me and the person who fought to save Kelsey than be called a supporter of a convicted felon who IS sitting in prison for a 27 yr sentence for a part in her own 2 yr olds murder. Actually I'm a Kelsey supporter and a TRUTH supporter but if in that endeavor that means I support Kathie Briggs, then I'm proud to do so.
You stated "I understand this behavior isn't illegal however it is bizarre - I can't imagine posting my private parts on the worldwide web" Why is it "bizarre"? Because you don't approve or participate in that behavior? And no, i'm not saying I condone any of it, certainly don't participate in it, but it really isn't all that "bizarre". Actually posting a pic of one's "genitals" is VERY common online, although now with webcams readily available and affordable, most people just use webcams to participate in that stuff online. Millions and millions and millions of people world wide do those things. I think some naieve women would be surprised to actually know what their own husbands/boyfriends view and participate in, online. Why you would consider it "bizarre" for those activities to be readily available and participated on, online...when you can go to any city and bigger "town" and walk into an "adult" content store and not only purchase sex "toys" and aids, and porn movies but in many can walk down a hallway, get into a "booth" and view "private showings" many with LIVE women performing all kinds of "acts". Women are exploited every day and they allow it and voluntarily participate in it. Reality is...sex sells. There are sexual undertones to everyday commercials on TV that have nothing to do with "sex" but the undertones are there...food commercials, car commercials, toothpaste, etc etc. Every day on your tv. And yes I do agree that porn destroys a lot of marraiges. But viewing it does not make one a pedophile. There are way more "bizarre" sexual content websites on the web than anal sex or "barely 18" girls.
"And doing it in Kelsey's bedroom?" you said? THAT should be the question. WHY would Raye Dawn allow a computer in her 2 yr old childs BEDROOM? She hadn't even known Porter that long. And don't tell me there was nowhere else to put a computer. If there wasn't they could have gotten a laptop to use in the living room or the computer could have been put in their own room, it should NEVER have been allowed in a child that age's bedroom under ANY circumstances. And I don't buy that RD didn't know that Porter looked at porn.
"And with all this information, they still believe Raye would be the sexual assaulter?" The answer is yes, IF that happened, it just as well COULD have been RD that did that that day. I do not believe according to the evidence that sexual assault happened but if it did, I believe it was RD. There are numerous reasons behind it as to why and they don't all include Porter in them.
Once again it has nothing to do with "supporting Porter", it has to do with "supporting" the truth and facts. Nothing more. If there were others cruicifying RD for hurting other children she had been around and stating things like that as fact, I would be defending the truth in that, which is there is no PROOF that she had done anything to any other child. It's about Facts and evidence and truth, that's it.
And to danielle, you said in reference to the statement written by Porter..."what i dont understand is why write this letter then in court tell a whole different story... ". To that I respond, the same thing can be asked of RD and her statements to the OSBI when she was asked about Porter by the agents. There's more but here is a comment written from Topix that I copied which serves as a very good example....
"FACTS only
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Yesterday In response to the blog filled with nothing but hate and lies:
THIS IS FOR ALL THE RAYE DAWN SMILTH ENABLERS OUT THERE
Excert's from the OSBI interview from Oct. 13, 2005.
Ms. Porter: He’s just a wonderful guy. I couldn’t ask for anything better.
Mr. Garrett: Did Kelsey like Michael okay?
Ms. Porter: She loved him.
Mr. Garrett: And did Michael like her?
Ms. Porter: He loved her to death.
Mr. Garrett: Just like it was own?
Ms. Porter: She called him daddy.
Mr. Garrett: Well, sometimes being a stepparent is not real easy.
Ms. Porter: How can you ask me that? I don’t –I am in shock.
Mr. Garrett: Do you want to know how I can ask you that? I don’t see a tear coming out of your face. There is not one drop. Look at me. There is not one drop.
Mr. Garrett: you wasn’t crying Tuesday night.
Mr. Garrett: Nobody else was there but you. And you’re telling us earlier that Michael couldn’t have done anything like that.
Ms. Porter: There’s no way.
End of excerpts
All this does is prove they lied for each other. The above as well as the letter that is posted on the blog with so many lies and so much hate, only proves they are both liars. Raye supporters want is to believe the letter Porter wrote but discredit his testimony. It just doesn't work like that. You can't pick and choose what parts make Raye look innocent and throw the rest out. They are both liars!!!!!!!!!!
I added the part about Raye not crying even on the night Kelsey was murdered, because I think that speaks volumes...... "
Raye Dawn started telling different stories when she realized she was being blamed for what happened to Kelsey. But, as Porter was defending her and lying to cover for her, which he did admit to later....obviously Raye was covering for and lying for Porter. They are BOTH liars and were covering for each other until it came down to having to cover their OWN asses. Then they turned on each other as expected.
These things are not going to win Raye a new appeal. Just like one of the affidavits..."I heard that someone heard" ...that is clearly hearsay and not something that someone can "testify" to. Her appeal is weak at best. Prepare yourself....she's not getting a new trial and not getting out anytime soon. I'm VERY confident in that. I'm also very confident that if she were granted a new trial, she WILL be reconvicted, with a life sentence the end result. Considering the new information I've been told about, I'm all for her getting a new trial, the outcome will be even more justice for Kelsey and I am ALL for that...a sentence more befitting Raye's real crime.
How did I go "out of my way" to explain those things? I merely wrote about them and my opinions, same as the rest of you. lol And call me a "Kathie supporter", I don't care. I'd rather support Kathie who has never lied to me and the person who fought to save Kelsey than be called a supporter of a convicted felon who IS sitting in prison for a 27 yr sentence for a part in her own 2 yr olds murder. Actually I'm a Kelsey supporter and a TRUTH supporter but if in that endeavor that means I support Kathie Briggs, then I'm proud to do so.
You stated "I understand this behavior isn't illegal however it is bizarre - I can't imagine posting my private parts on the worldwide web" Why is it "bizarre"? Because you don't approve or participate in that behavior? And no, i'm not saying I condone any of it, certainly don't participate in it, but it really isn't all that "bizarre". Actually posting a pic of one's "genitals" is VERY common online, although now with webcams readily available and affordable, most people just use webcams to participate in that stuff online. Millions and millions and millions of people world wide do those things. I think some naieve women would be surprised to actually know what their own husbands/boyfriends view and participate in, online. Why you would consider it "bizarre" for those activities to be readily available and participated on, online...when you can go to any city and bigger "town" and walk into an "adult" content store and not only purchase sex "toys" and aids, and porn movies but in many can walk down a hallway, get into a "booth" and view "private showings" many with LIVE women performing all kinds of "acts". Women are exploited every day and they allow it and voluntarily participate in it. Reality is...sex sells. There are sexual undertones to everyday commercials on TV that have nothing to do with "sex" but the undertones are there...food commercials, car commercials, toothpaste, etc etc. Every day on your tv. And yes I do agree that porn destroys a lot of marraiges. But viewing it does not make one a pedophile. There are way more "bizarre" sexual content websites on the web than anal sex or "barely 18" girls.
"And doing it in Kelsey's bedroom?" you said? THAT should be the question. WHY would Raye Dawn allow a computer in her 2 yr old childs BEDROOM? She hadn't even known Porter that long. And don't tell me there was nowhere else to put a computer. If there wasn't they could have gotten a laptop to use in the living room or the computer could have been put in their own room, it should NEVER have been allowed in a child that age's bedroom under ANY circumstances. And I don't buy that RD didn't know that Porter looked at porn.
"And with all this information, they still believe Raye would be the sexual assaulter?" The answer is yes, IF that happened, it just as well COULD have been RD that did that that day. I do not believe according to the evidence that sexual assault happened but if it did, I believe it was RD. There are numerous reasons behind it as to why and they don't all include Porter in them.
Once again it has nothing to do with "supporting Porter", it has to do with "supporting" the truth and facts. Nothing more. If there were others cruicifying RD for hurting other children she had been around and stating things like that as fact, I would be defending the truth in that, which is there is no PROOF that she had done anything to any other child. It's about Facts and evidence and truth, that's it.
And to danielle, you said in reference to the statement written by Porter..."what i dont understand is why write this letter then in court tell a whole different story... ". To that I respond, the same thing can be asked of RD and her statements to the OSBI when she was asked about Porter by the agents. There's more but here is a comment written from Topix that I copied which serves as a very good example....
"FACTS only
Houston, TX
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Judge it!
#25694
Yesterday In response to the blog filled with nothing but hate and lies:
THIS IS FOR ALL THE RAYE DAWN SMILTH ENABLERS OUT THERE
Excert's from the OSBI interview from Oct. 13, 2005.
Ms. Porter: He’s just a wonderful guy. I couldn’t ask for anything better.
Mr. Garrett: Did Kelsey like Michael okay?
Ms. Porter: She loved him.
Mr. Garrett: And did Michael like her?
Ms. Porter: He loved her to death.
Mr. Garrett: Just like it was own?
Ms. Porter: She called him daddy.
Mr. Garrett: Well, sometimes being a stepparent is not real easy.
Ms. Porter: How can you ask me that? I don’t –I am in shock.
Mr. Garrett: Do you want to know how I can ask you that? I don’t see a tear coming out of your face. There is not one drop. Look at me. There is not one drop.
Mr. Garrett: you wasn’t crying Tuesday night.
Mr. Garrett: Nobody else was there but you. And you’re telling us earlier that Michael couldn’t have done anything like that.
Ms. Porter: There’s no way.
End of excerpts
All this does is prove they lied for each other. The above as well as the letter that is posted on the blog with so many lies and so much hate, only proves they are both liars. Raye supporters want is to believe the letter Porter wrote but discredit his testimony. It just doesn't work like that. You can't pick and choose what parts make Raye look innocent and throw the rest out. They are both liars!!!!!!!!!!
I added the part about Raye not crying even on the night Kelsey was murdered, because I think that speaks volumes...... "
Raye Dawn started telling different stories when she realized she was being blamed for what happened to Kelsey. But, as Porter was defending her and lying to cover for her, which he did admit to later....obviously Raye was covering for and lying for Porter. They are BOTH liars and were covering for each other until it came down to having to cover their OWN asses. Then they turned on each other as expected.
These things are not going to win Raye a new appeal. Just like one of the affidavits..."I heard that someone heard" ...that is clearly hearsay and not something that someone can "testify" to. Her appeal is weak at best. Prepare yourself....she's not getting a new trial and not getting out anytime soon. I'm VERY confident in that. I'm also very confident that if she were granted a new trial, she WILL be reconvicted, with a life sentence the end result. Considering the new information I've been told about, I'm all for her getting a new trial, the outcome will be even more justice for Kelsey and I am ALL for that...a sentence more befitting Raye's real crime.
Monday, March 1, 2010
You call this acting like a Christian? WOW!
Wow, I didn't know staunch CHRISTIANS used the term "BFE" ! which for those that don't know, stands for Bump F*ck Egypt. Amazing.
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J, Keep reading. Actually, Raye Dawn's mother and grandmother sold their homes, land, and cars to pay for her defense. They paid almost $100,000 for her first attorney and because of the media attention, she's had to now hire Steven Jones who defended Timothy Mcveigh (the guy who bombed the Federal Building in OKC). Her family is pulling together all their resources and we've been working on getting donations. The paternal family was even on the news when I first put up the freekelseysmom site and they were complaining because we were asking for donations. The public and the paternal family put Raye Dawn where she is, they should help pay as far as I'm concerned. However, despite the huge price tag for her original attorney he had no experts in her trial. His specialty is said to be personal injury. The one point that wasn't in her request for a mistrial was ineffective counsel and that's the one point the judge said he would have granted. So...
Raye Dawn's daughter died in Meeker, Oklahoma. It's a tiny, one stoplight town in the middle of BFE. Her attorney requested a change of venue and the judge moved the trial to Bristow, which is about 10 miles away from the Lincoln County line. The Tulsa media had spent just as much time reporting the paternal family's side of the case as the OKC media did. The change of venue was a joke!
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More Christian-like behavior???
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J, it's no problem at all! You can't offend me. I've been stomped on so much since July, 2007, that my shell is as tough as nails now. I knew where you were going; I was just explaining the details of the case. What I'm telling you isn't easily available to read because there are so many details that it's impossible to put it all out there and have people understand. I'm just giving the you the Cliff's Notes on the case.
FYI, the paternal family is seen locally as "white trash." The paternal grandmother was called "white trash" by the now judge who she helped unseat the former judge who presided over Kelsey's custody case. His book gives great insight and a lot of details. You can read the first chapter at www.judgekey.com.
It's said that the paternal grandmother is on disability, her husband has some sort of small construction company, and the father of Kelsey is on disability. He supposedly was in Iraq for what I've nailed down as approximately two months driving a truck when he had an accident. He was sent to Fort Benning, GA and put in a mental hospital, some say for his addiction to pain pills (he's been in rehab five times) and his sister said it's because his wife wanted a divorce. His mother was fighting his ex-wife for custody of his daughter because she was supposedly being abused and that didn't put him in a hospital, but his wife wanting a divorce did? Many are arguing because the paternal family supporters make it sound like he was in Iraq when his daughter died when he actually was in a mental hospital in Fort Benning, GA and he now lives off the government. He was discharged from the military in October, 2005. I think he was in for a year, total. He was stationed most of the time in Missouri and drove to Oklahoma weekly. He was in Oklahoma the day of one of the custody hearings but chose not to go. In fact, he didn't attend a single hearing and for all but one of them he was in Oklahoma or Missouri.
In this case, Raye Dawn's family is considered the better family societal-wise and the paternal family, not so much. However, the paternal family has ties with the Governor of Oklahoma, they passed a law in the little girl's name, and the records of the little girl should have been released, according to Oklahoma law and officials refuse to release the records (this has allowed the paternal grandmother to lie about what's in those records and the judge's book dispels those lies), and the paternal family has been all over the media and on Fox Network's The Big Story Weekend. For some reason, there has been a flip in the two families. The better, more established and secure family was attacked and the family that has history with the local police, drug issues, and the paternal grandmother, herself, who gave up her children for two years telling the DA in 1979, "If you don't take them, I'll kill them." She now owns and runs a website that is supposed to fight child abuse and puts down mothers? Come on! That family is the one that is looked upon as the better one because of what the media has portrayed them to be.
This entire case is twisted and makes no sense until you look at the paternal family and their level of hatred for Raye Dawn and her entire family. The paternal grandmother tried to go after Raye Dawn's mom as she had Raye Dawn and wanted her in prison as well. The paternal grandmother was on her forum less than a month after her grandchild died bragging about how she had to install a second phone line because the media was calling so much. What does that tell you?
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More LIES posted all over the internet....it's been proven he was NOT in a mental hospital, yet she states this as fact. tsk tsk....
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Nicks momom wrote:
J1,
My favorite pic is the one of LB standing next to Kelsey's grave in full uniform. He had been discharged 6 months prior.
Actually, NM, it was two months prior. He was discharged in October, 2005 right after he was released from the mental hospital, not Iraq, and the pic was taken in December, 2005.
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curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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More lies...there WAS a subpoena to identify her
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IF Lance is drawing disability from being injured as a soldier in the US Army, I certainly do not find that "hilarious".....how sad....
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I agree!!!! What do DHS workers make anyway? His attorneys are working on contingency. How would he pay them even if he won?? He draws disability from the government! Hilarious!!!
Also, google shawnee news star and look for the article where Smothermon is trying to get a job with the Oklahoma Worker's comp court as a judge. He wants out of office and I'm sure Kathie has a lot to do with it. Read the comments about him too. He's had two huge cases and he hired outside attorneys to prosecute them both. Then he got an award for DA of the year or something. Makes you warm and fuzzy huh???
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"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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J, I don't believe that it was ever mentioned at RD's trial. Like I said, ineffective counsel. What bothers me most is that Kathie is out there putting down moms and judging everyone's parenting and look at what a great parent she was! It's disturbing.
I agree with the public forum policy. Although I've been threatened with a grand jury because I started a forum to deliver the facts. I've been threatened with lawsuits and told I'm doing nothing but bashing the Briggs. I've done nothing but post facts, their own words and actions, and give my opinion on those facts. They claim I'm breaking the law. How ridiculous! They even told their supporters they got a subpoena to identify me. Another lie. Now they're dragging more innocent people through the mud. Their hatred and abuse never stops. I think Lance is abusive because his mom is abusive. She just participates in a different kind of abuse. Instead of hitting women like he does she lies and publicly attacks. Abuse is abuse is abuse!
_________________
"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
Of course I could post soo much more lies and deceipt and NON christian like behavior but it sickens me to read the hate and lies, so I am done with this. I had originally intended to just post the "BFE" comment, but there was just so much more....it's everywhere! Talk about PROMOTING HATE!!!
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J, Keep reading. Actually, Raye Dawn's mother and grandmother sold their homes, land, and cars to pay for her defense. They paid almost $100,000 for her first attorney and because of the media attention, she's had to now hire Steven Jones who defended Timothy Mcveigh (the guy who bombed the Federal Building in OKC). Her family is pulling together all their resources and we've been working on getting donations. The paternal family was even on the news when I first put up the freekelseysmom site and they were complaining because we were asking for donations. The public and the paternal family put Raye Dawn where she is, they should help pay as far as I'm concerned. However, despite the huge price tag for her original attorney he had no experts in her trial. His specialty is said to be personal injury. The one point that wasn't in her request for a mistrial was ineffective counsel and that's the one point the judge said he would have granted. So...
Raye Dawn's daughter died in Meeker, Oklahoma. It's a tiny, one stoplight town in the middle of BFE. Her attorney requested a change of venue and the judge moved the trial to Bristow, which is about 10 miles away from the Lincoln County line. The Tulsa media had spent just as much time reporting the paternal family's side of the case as the OKC media did. The change of venue was a joke!
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curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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More Christian-like behavior???
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J, it's no problem at all! You can't offend me. I've been stomped on so much since July, 2007, that my shell is as tough as nails now. I knew where you were going; I was just explaining the details of the case. What I'm telling you isn't easily available to read because there are so many details that it's impossible to put it all out there and have people understand. I'm just giving the you the Cliff's Notes on the case.
FYI, the paternal family is seen locally as "white trash." The paternal grandmother was called "white trash" by the now judge who she helped unseat the former judge who presided over Kelsey's custody case. His book gives great insight and a lot of details. You can read the first chapter at www.judgekey.com.
It's said that the paternal grandmother is on disability, her husband has some sort of small construction company, and the father of Kelsey is on disability. He supposedly was in Iraq for what I've nailed down as approximately two months driving a truck when he had an accident. He was sent to Fort Benning, GA and put in a mental hospital, some say for his addiction to pain pills (he's been in rehab five times) and his sister said it's because his wife wanted a divorce. His mother was fighting his ex-wife for custody of his daughter because she was supposedly being abused and that didn't put him in a hospital, but his wife wanting a divorce did? Many are arguing because the paternal family supporters make it sound like he was in Iraq when his daughter died when he actually was in a mental hospital in Fort Benning, GA and he now lives off the government. He was discharged from the military in October, 2005. I think he was in for a year, total. He was stationed most of the time in Missouri and drove to Oklahoma weekly. He was in Oklahoma the day of one of the custody hearings but chose not to go. In fact, he didn't attend a single hearing and for all but one of them he was in Oklahoma or Missouri.
In this case, Raye Dawn's family is considered the better family societal-wise and the paternal family, not so much. However, the paternal family has ties with the Governor of Oklahoma, they passed a law in the little girl's name, and the records of the little girl should have been released, according to Oklahoma law and officials refuse to release the records (this has allowed the paternal grandmother to lie about what's in those records and the judge's book dispels those lies), and the paternal family has been all over the media and on Fox Network's The Big Story Weekend. For some reason, there has been a flip in the two families. The better, more established and secure family was attacked and the family that has history with the local police, drug issues, and the paternal grandmother, herself, who gave up her children for two years telling the DA in 1979, "If you don't take them, I'll kill them." She now owns and runs a website that is supposed to fight child abuse and puts down mothers? Come on! That family is the one that is looked upon as the better one because of what the media has portrayed them to be.
This entire case is twisted and makes no sense until you look at the paternal family and their level of hatred for Raye Dawn and her entire family. The paternal grandmother tried to go after Raye Dawn's mom as she had Raye Dawn and wanted her in prison as well. The paternal grandmother was on her forum less than a month after her grandchild died bragging about how she had to install a second phone line because the media was calling so much. What does that tell you?
_________________
"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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More LIES posted all over the internet....it's been proven he was NOT in a mental hospital, yet she states this as fact. tsk tsk....
Truth Seeker
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 38
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject:
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Nicks momom wrote:
J1,
My favorite pic is the one of LB standing next to Kelsey's grave in full uniform. He had been discharged 6 months prior.
Actually, NM, it was two months prior. He was discharged in October, 2005 right after he was released from the mental hospital, not Iraq, and the pic was taken in December, 2005.
_________________
"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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More lies...there WAS a subpoena to identify her
Truth Seeker
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 38
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject:
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IF Lance is drawing disability from being injured as a soldier in the US Army, I certainly do not find that "hilarious".....how sad....
Truth Seeker
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 38
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:
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I agree!!!! What do DHS workers make anyway? His attorneys are working on contingency. How would he pay them even if he won?? He draws disability from the government! Hilarious!!!
Also, google shawnee news star and look for the article where Smothermon is trying to get a job with the Oklahoma Worker's comp court as a judge. He wants out of office and I'm sure Kathie has a lot to do with it. Read the comments about him too. He's had two huge cases and he hired outside attorneys to prosecute them both. Then he got an award for DA of the year or something. Makes you warm and fuzzy huh???
_________________
"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
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J, I don't believe that it was ever mentioned at RD's trial. Like I said, ineffective counsel. What bothers me most is that Kathie is out there putting down moms and judging everyone's parenting and look at what a great parent she was! It's disturbing.
I agree with the public forum policy. Although I've been threatened with a grand jury because I started a forum to deliver the facts. I've been threatened with lawsuits and told I'm doing nothing but bashing the Briggs. I've done nothing but post facts, their own words and actions, and give my opinion on those facts. They claim I'm breaking the law. How ridiculous! They even told their supporters they got a subpoena to identify me. Another lie. Now they're dragging more innocent people through the mud. Their hatred and abuse never stops. I think Lance is abusive because his mom is abusive. She just participates in a different kind of abuse. Instead of hitting women like he does she lies and publicly attacks. Abuse is abuse is abuse!
_________________
"The Bible calls children a blessing, and debt a curse. Yet we apply for
curses and prevent blessings!" (Doug Phillips)
Of course I could post soo much more lies and deceipt and NON christian like behavior but it sickens me to read the hate and lies, so I am done with this. I had originally intended to just post the "BFE" comment, but there was just so much more....it's everywhere! Talk about PROMOTING HATE!!!
It's about defending the TRUTH...
Viewing pornography and/or liking anal sex....does NOT make a person a pedophile. I'm not "defending Porter", I'm defending the TRUTH. And the TRUTH is...because he "regularly" viewed porn, apparently enjoyed anal sex and talked dirty on the computer in chatrooms does NOT mean he is guilty of sexually assaulting Kelsey, and does not automatically make him a pedophile and does not make him an awful person. Millions upon millions of people enjoy porn. Men and women alike enjoy anal sex. Men and women watch porn on computers, rent and buy porn movies, and participate in sexual conversations with and without cams on their computers. It's not illegal and doesn't automatically make you a pedophile if you enjoy those things.
Another blogger has ranted for years about "child porn" found on Porter's computer. Now the truth comes out and she says she doesn't know if the sites he went to were "child porn" or not. Another LIE she's been telling all this time. The "teen" sites are not underage girls, they just look underage. And NO I don't agree with it, but it's not illegal and doesn't make you a pedophile automatically if you look at them. If Porter had had "child porn" on his computer, he would have been arrested and charged with it as "child porn" IS illegal, to have, view, buy and sell.
Again, I am NOT defending Porter. He is where he belongs. He did not protect Kelsey and he knew that Raye Dawn was abusing Kelsey and he did nothing to protect her OR save her...like he said, it's just as bad as if he did it himself. I have no sympathy for him. And I think he was hurting Kelsey too, I just don't think he was sexually abusing her nor did he murder her.
Another blogger has ranted for years about "child porn" found on Porter's computer. Now the truth comes out and she says she doesn't know if the sites he went to were "child porn" or not. Another LIE she's been telling all this time. The "teen" sites are not underage girls, they just look underage. And NO I don't agree with it, but it's not illegal and doesn't make you a pedophile automatically if you look at them. If Porter had had "child porn" on his computer, he would have been arrested and charged with it as "child porn" IS illegal, to have, view, buy and sell.
Again, I am NOT defending Porter. He is where he belongs. He did not protect Kelsey and he knew that Raye Dawn was abusing Kelsey and he did nothing to protect her OR save her...like he said, it's just as bad as if he did it himself. I have no sympathy for him. And I think he was hurting Kelsey too, I just don't think he was sexually abusing her nor did he murder her.
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