wjnorbom said...
Media Prostituting a child. Live and in color.
Smiling in a photo with the sentence, "Who Killed Kelsey?"
Despicable.
February 25, 2010 4:49 PM
Jody Ortiz said...
I agree!
So, what about the photos of FKM members and Gayla Smith standing ON Kelsey's grave smiling? What were those photos promoting? I believe the picture that Wendy and her pal are commenting on is in reference to the promotion of the upcoming book, "Who Killed Kelsey?". THAT is wrong, but ok for Kelsey's maternal grandma and many others to disrespect a grave by standing on top of the very part where Kelsey is buried? and smiling to boot!
I wonder what they call FKM and all the sites out there that are allegedly to garner support for Raye Dawn and her freedom, using pictures of Kelsey? Is that also "prostituting a child"? Live and in color to free a convicted felon who just recently was again confirmed by a Judge to still being a SUSPECT in her own child's murder!
Once again, IF they could prove "the Briggs" to be the most horrid of people living on earth, that does absolutely NOTHING to PROVE raye dawn's innocence or Porter's guilt!! Nothing. A certain blogger has spent the majority of her blog promoting hate against "the Briggs". Nothing much on there, if anything...pertains to anything at all to prove Raye's innocence. It's all about the Briggs. Nothing on there pertains to Porter's guilt....as they say RD is innocent and Porter is the one guilty of the abuse and murder of Kelsey. Any reasonable person sees that the purpose of that blog is to promote hate against Kathie and Lance Briggs. Until RD's attorney told them to clean it up, the majority of TTAK site was also a bash the Briggs site. I have to wonder what he would think of that blog if he knew about it and read it, after I know for a FACT that he had stated that the internet blogs and sites needed to stop? I will put that on my "to do" list and send him the blog screenshots. His email changed as apparently he was being emailed a bunch of CRAP that was clogging down his email that he was uninterested in according to what I was told. But "snail mail" will work.
Seems that again that the topic of conversation on that blog is to trash Kathie. Let me tell you a secret fellow blogger....you aren't going to get Kathie charged with anything so give it up already. You can continue on with your promoting hate of the Briggs but in doing that you are NOT helping to prove Raye Dawn innocent. Someone needs to tell you that....seriously. Your obsession with Kathie Briggs is very alarming, bordering criminal in my opinion. Why don't you yourself confess your true motives? Which obviously has nothing to do with freeing Raye Dawn or proving her innocence. I think you truely do not believe Porter to be the guilty one or you would turn your focus on to him instead of people that could NOT POSSIBLY be guilty of killing Kelsey. The diversion tactics are old and are only harming Raye's side, certainly not helping. Many have changed their support of RD recently. Lies and deceit are catching up to those doing those things.
The truth is going to win out, every time. Just as it did at RD's trial, and just as it did at the recent hearing. Too bad everyone can't read RD's deposition from that hearing, isn't it? Of course I was sent some screenshots where this certain blogger has stated that they don't have RD's deposition because "the Briggs took it". LOL Really? And here I thought this blogger was trying to convince everyone how close she was to the case and how much she "helps" Rd's attorney. Guess THAT proves in and of itself that that is not the truth. If you inquire about copies of the depositions which are public record, RD's is NOT available...but NOT because "the Briggs took it", but because RD's is sealed for the time being. Common sense tells you that she testified in her deposition and that since her appeal is still being decided, she may end up back at trial and she could be testifying. She is a prisoner, and makes perfect sense why hers is "unavailable at this time". Again it is not because "the Briggs took it" as has been stated as fact by a certain blogger.
It really is quite telling that this blogger and select few of rd supporters focus solely on "the Briggs", never on the only two people who could have possibly killed Kelsey. Maybe the readers should ask themselves why? Trying to find blame somehow with any of the Briggs does not exonerate Raye Dawn Smith from her guilt in her part of her daughters murder. No matter how much you wish it.....no matter how hard you pray for it....facts don't change....the truth doesn't change.
Sunday, February 28, 2010
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
The TRUTH will not change....
Ok, I'm back for now. I've been really sick the past few days and am just now feeling ok enough to even be up out of bed. This asthma stuff is for the birds! I don't know how you go all these years and all of a sudden have "asthma"....I guess the cold isn't good for asthma...found that out the hard way.
I'm not going to post much right now, but there is a couple of things I want to say real quick. First of all, I believe in God and I believe in prayer. I do NOT believe in being a hypocrite. I also do not believe that you can change the truth and fact with prayer. You can pray all you want, but just because you are asking God, does not mean he is going to change the truth or facts for you. They can "pray" all they want for God to make Porter confess, but prayer won't make him confess to something he simply did not do. It won't miraculously make people who are telling the truth, out to be liars. Prayer just doesn't work that way. The lies that are included in prayer are scary. But that is not for me to deal with, God will deal with that for sure. I do however think it is very telling instead of "praying" for the truth to be revealed, whatever it may be, they reinforce that it is Mike Porter that is the guilty one. I guess some just want that to be the truth, so badly they reinforce it by wording it the way they do. I pray for the truth...the whole truth and the REAL truth to be revealed and proven....whatever the real truth is. I know that God has a plan and there is a reason....a "purpose" that all of this is going on the way it has....we don't have to like it or understand it.
The next thing is the depositions. I'm like many others and don't get the "big deal" about Kathie's deposition, and I've not read Lance's yet so will comment on that later. Kathie did not lie in her deposition. The things she has said has been the same since the beginning. But I guess those of us that know the truth and don't put a spin on everything to try to make things something they are not, know that. The one thing in Kathie's that I'm going to comment on is the thing that is being used by some RD supporters to try to stir up crap. Kathie does NOT "know" Shonya. They have never met and have not spoken even on the phone. They have corresponded through email. Kathie did not lie. If she had said she "knew" Shonya, then she'd have been a "liar" because they'd never met or even spoken by phone, I believe no matter what she'd said, like everything else it would have been wrong to a select few that insist on finding crimes in this case where none exist and lay the blame by deflecting from the real guilty parties in this case. You're not going to get Kathie put in prison or jail for anything....she did nothing wrong...give it up already, it's quite tiring and boring. They still focus on "the Briggs" and not on the person they insist is guilty...Mike Porter. Something wrong with that.
I will continue to pray for those that lie and try to manipulate, and deflect from the real issues in this case.
I'm not going to post much right now, but there is a couple of things I want to say real quick. First of all, I believe in God and I believe in prayer. I do NOT believe in being a hypocrite. I also do not believe that you can change the truth and fact with prayer. You can pray all you want, but just because you are asking God, does not mean he is going to change the truth or facts for you. They can "pray" all they want for God to make Porter confess, but prayer won't make him confess to something he simply did not do. It won't miraculously make people who are telling the truth, out to be liars. Prayer just doesn't work that way. The lies that are included in prayer are scary. But that is not for me to deal with, God will deal with that for sure. I do however think it is very telling instead of "praying" for the truth to be revealed, whatever it may be, they reinforce that it is Mike Porter that is the guilty one. I guess some just want that to be the truth, so badly they reinforce it by wording it the way they do. I pray for the truth...the whole truth and the REAL truth to be revealed and proven....whatever the real truth is. I know that God has a plan and there is a reason....a "purpose" that all of this is going on the way it has....we don't have to like it or understand it.
The next thing is the depositions. I'm like many others and don't get the "big deal" about Kathie's deposition, and I've not read Lance's yet so will comment on that later. Kathie did not lie in her deposition. The things she has said has been the same since the beginning. But I guess those of us that know the truth and don't put a spin on everything to try to make things something they are not, know that. The one thing in Kathie's that I'm going to comment on is the thing that is being used by some RD supporters to try to stir up crap. Kathie does NOT "know" Shonya. They have never met and have not spoken even on the phone. They have corresponded through email. Kathie did not lie. If she had said she "knew" Shonya, then she'd have been a "liar" because they'd never met or even spoken by phone, I believe no matter what she'd said, like everything else it would have been wrong to a select few that insist on finding crimes in this case where none exist and lay the blame by deflecting from the real guilty parties in this case. You're not going to get Kathie put in prison or jail for anything....she did nothing wrong...give it up already, it's quite tiring and boring. They still focus on "the Briggs" and not on the person they insist is guilty...Mike Porter. Something wrong with that.
I will continue to pray for those that lie and try to manipulate, and deflect from the real issues in this case.
Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Double Jeoprady
"The Double Jeopardy Clause in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits anyone from being prosecuted twice for substanially the same crime. See, e.g. United States v. Ursery, 518 US 267 (1996)." "Thus a person cannot be guilty of both murder and manslaughter for the same homicide, nor can a person be retried for the same crime after the case has been resolved. A person can, however, be convicted of both murder and robbery if the murder arose from the robbery."
Michael Porter cannot be recharged with murder. He was previously charged and that case has been resolved with Porter plea bargaining to "enabling child abuse" of which he was not charged with but accepted in a plea to the murder charge.
Raye Dawn Smith however has never been charged with murder, and therefore CAN be charged with murder at any time. Even if RD didn't deliver the fatal blow to Kelsey, under the law she can still be charged with first degree murder.
"A person commits murder in the first degree when the death of a child results from the willful or malicious injuring, torturing, maiming or using of unreasonable force by said person or who shall willfully cause, procure or permit any of said acts to be done upon the child pursuant to Section 7115 of Title 10 of the Oklahoma Statutes. It is sufficient for the crime of murder in the first degree that the person either willfully tortured or used unreasonable force upon the child or maliciously injured or maimed the child."
A woman in the past couple years here in Oklahoma was convicted of First Degree Murder in the death of her child by the hands of her b/f. She permitted the acts to be done upon her child by leaving her child with the b/f after her child had been previously injured in the care of the b/f. I'll see if I can find that article again. If I remember right the woman wasn't home at the time of the child's death.
Michael Porter cannot be recharged with murder. He was previously charged and that case has been resolved with Porter plea bargaining to "enabling child abuse" of which he was not charged with but accepted in a plea to the murder charge.
Raye Dawn Smith however has never been charged with murder, and therefore CAN be charged with murder at any time. Even if RD didn't deliver the fatal blow to Kelsey, under the law she can still be charged with first degree murder.
"A person commits murder in the first degree when the death of a child results from the willful or malicious injuring, torturing, maiming or using of unreasonable force by said person or who shall willfully cause, procure or permit any of said acts to be done upon the child pursuant to Section 7115 of Title 10 of the Oklahoma Statutes. It is sufficient for the crime of murder in the first degree that the person either willfully tortured or used unreasonable force upon the child or maliciously injured or maimed the child."
A woman in the past couple years here in Oklahoma was convicted of First Degree Murder in the death of her child by the hands of her b/f. She permitted the acts to be done upon her child by leaving her child with the b/f after her child had been previously injured in the care of the b/f. I'll see if I can find that article again. If I remember right the woman wasn't home at the time of the child's death.
Monday, February 15, 2010
It's my opinion....
I had a post written yesterday, but as luck would have it when I hit the "publish" button, a message came up that said they had trouble processing my command or something like that. At first it made me mad because I couldn't retrieve it. As I thought about it, it was probably a blessing. I was very frustrated and angry at the lies and deceit that is constantly put out to the public. Hate, that is generated from a select few and prepetuated throughout the world wide web. It's sad that people have to use deceit, misrepresented facts, half truths, and just bold faced, flat out lies to try to garner support for a woman who sits in prison that put herself and what she wanted in life before her own child, and who by the evidence and facts in the case is highly suspected of killing her own child. And yes, like it or not, she IS a suspect in killing her child.
Those that support RD, sadly concentrate on "the Briggs" instead of the two people that were in the home with Kelsey the day she was murdered. Why? Why throw rocks at, promote hate towards, lie about and put the concentration of the case onto people who could not have possibly have killed Kelsey? There is only ONE reason for that. To deflect the concentration and blame from the guilty party. If they want to take the attention and focus off of Raye Dawn, why don't they put it on the only other person who could have possibly killed Kelsey....Porter? Does this make any sense to anyone else? It doesn't to me. What it does do, is show the hate being constantly promoted towards "the Briggs".
If they want to look outside the two that could have killed her, then instead of throwing suspicion towards the only part of Kelsey's family that tried to save her, let's talk about the part of Kelsey's family that did nothing. FACT is...Gayla Smith failed Kelsey too. More than what they try to lay blame at "the Briggs" feet. What did Gayla do, to help Kelsey? What did Gayla do, to protect and save Kelsey? Anyone? FACT also is, Gayla Smith is guilty of "enabling child abuse" by her own testimony, according to the DA, Richard Smothermon.
Did Gayla hear the same "excuses" for Kelsey's injuries that we have since heard, that were all blamed on Porter allegedly at the times they were happening? Or did Gayla help Raye Dawn come up with those excuses to blame Porter? Could be.
Personally, it is my opinion, Gayla knows more than she is telling. Personally I believe that Gayla is more involved in this than we will ever know or be told. She was gone for a couple hours the day Kelsey died. Where was she? Have phone records been checked to see if there was any communication between RD and Gayla that afternoon prior to Kelsey's death, when RD was allegedly taking a nap? Did RD call her mom and tell her what she did and that something was wrong with Kelsey? Did Gayla call RD? Why wasn't there any talk of Gayla questioning why the plans changed and Kelsey wasn't brought to her as planned that afternoon? What does Gayla know that she's NOT telling?
Personally, I believe what Debbie Hammons said in her letter to the OSBI agents. She had absolutely no reason and no motive to lie about any of it. Did Gayla get away with murder once and then help her daughter try to get away with murder with Kelsey?
I do know that the part of the OSBI tapes where Gayla and RD are having such a "hush hush" conversation and the monologue cannot be heard, is being put into some programs to see if it can be enhanced to hear what they were saying that they didn't want anyone else to hear. I have to question Gayla's lack of surprise when being told that Kelsey did not die from a seizure as she allegedly thought. As there was with Raye Dawn, there was absolutely no element of surprise or shock value when Gayla was told that Kelsey was murdered. NONE. What does that tell us?
Certain RD supporters want you to focus on Kathie and Lance. Why? They did not have opportunity or motive to kill Kelsey. For them to even try to focus on Mike Porter, still holds Raye Dawn accountable and responsible because RAYE DAWN lived in the home with Porter. Raye Dawn was court ordered to not have Kelsey around Porter...so what does she do? She marries him. Raye Dawn is the one who tells all the "excuses" and she is the one who says...well she was with Mike when that happened...to each and every incident. Let's say for sake of arguement for the moment, that all Kelsey's injuries were "accidents". How plausible is it that ALL the injuries or "accidents" happened when Raye Dawn was NOWHERE around? None of the injuries does she admit to being there with Kelsey when they happened. That is totally unreasonable. If they were "accidents", why lie? I mean gosh, she said that her and Kelsey were ALWAYS together. What she means by that I guess is that they were ALWAYS together EXCEPT for ALL those times that Kelsey was injured, bruised and beaten. So much for "ALWAYS" being together, huh?
If Raye Dawn had nothing to hide, then why did she lie to the OSBI agents during their questioning her? Did she really "want to know what happened to Kelsey" or did she already know?
Gayla says "we was starting to watch him". If Gayla, as Kelsey's other grandma, was concerned enough to start watching Porter, they why didn't she call and make her suspicions and concerns known to anyone at all? She didn't call DHS. She didn't call law enforcement. She didn't call the attorney. She didn't call "the Briggs". She didn't call the CASA worker. She did absolutely nothing about her alleged concerns and suspicions that were allegedly making her start "watching" Porter. Her own daughter had been accused of abusing Kelsey. Kelsey had been taken from Raye Dawn and embarrassed the whole family by DHS involvement in that family, because of suspision and allegations of abuse. Abuse had been confirmed against Kelsey nameing Gayla's own daughter as the "confirmed" abuser. If things were happening that was making it obvious enough to Gayla that Porter was the one hurting Kelsey why would she not contact SOMEONE and say HEY! this is what's going on and I think Porter is hurting Kelsey? or say something...anything???? Makes absolutely NO sense. As do most of the lies being told in defense of Raye Dawn do not make sense.
You fight lies with truth. Truth does not change. Facts do not change. Look at the youtube videos, not only being reposted on another blog, but all over youtube. How many of those videos promote hate against "the Briggs"? They say that Kelsey supporters promote hate against Raye Dawn, and someone else that wants to be important in this case and obviously wants to make some money off Kelsey's name, wants you to believe that a huge amount of hate is being promoted against her. But reality and truth is, if you search through youtube, you will see "who" it is that is "promoting hate" and the larger amount of "hate" is being promoted against "the Briggs", NOT against RD, the Smiths or the unknown self important person. That is fact folks.
In my opinion, no matter what we do or say we are not going to get the hate to stop. One person won't let it stop. They provoke it and no matter how much they say they want it to stop, I don't believe they do. Yes, that is my opinion. I believe they like the attention they get from it and they have a motive behind it all, which is easy to see. Probably more attention than they have ever gotten. It's sad that someone would use a dead child for their own personal agenda and gain, but there are many people out there that do just that. They don't care, they have no personal attachment to the child. I'm not stating this as fact, just my personal opinions after a long time of observation of the situation.
I wish they would hurry up with the appeal decision. Although I believe that she will lose her appeal, when that happens I also believe things will escalate towards the Briggs family. I hope I'm wrong on that.
Those that support RD, sadly concentrate on "the Briggs" instead of the two people that were in the home with Kelsey the day she was murdered. Why? Why throw rocks at, promote hate towards, lie about and put the concentration of the case onto people who could not have possibly have killed Kelsey? There is only ONE reason for that. To deflect the concentration and blame from the guilty party. If they want to take the attention and focus off of Raye Dawn, why don't they put it on the only other person who could have possibly killed Kelsey....Porter? Does this make any sense to anyone else? It doesn't to me. What it does do, is show the hate being constantly promoted towards "the Briggs".
If they want to look outside the two that could have killed her, then instead of throwing suspicion towards the only part of Kelsey's family that tried to save her, let's talk about the part of Kelsey's family that did nothing. FACT is...Gayla Smith failed Kelsey too. More than what they try to lay blame at "the Briggs" feet. What did Gayla do, to help Kelsey? What did Gayla do, to protect and save Kelsey? Anyone? FACT also is, Gayla Smith is guilty of "enabling child abuse" by her own testimony, according to the DA, Richard Smothermon.
Did Gayla hear the same "excuses" for Kelsey's injuries that we have since heard, that were all blamed on Porter allegedly at the times they were happening? Or did Gayla help Raye Dawn come up with those excuses to blame Porter? Could be.
Personally, it is my opinion, Gayla knows more than she is telling. Personally I believe that Gayla is more involved in this than we will ever know or be told. She was gone for a couple hours the day Kelsey died. Where was she? Have phone records been checked to see if there was any communication between RD and Gayla that afternoon prior to Kelsey's death, when RD was allegedly taking a nap? Did RD call her mom and tell her what she did and that something was wrong with Kelsey? Did Gayla call RD? Why wasn't there any talk of Gayla questioning why the plans changed and Kelsey wasn't brought to her as planned that afternoon? What does Gayla know that she's NOT telling?
Personally, I believe what Debbie Hammons said in her letter to the OSBI agents. She had absolutely no reason and no motive to lie about any of it. Did Gayla get away with murder once and then help her daughter try to get away with murder with Kelsey?
I do know that the part of the OSBI tapes where Gayla and RD are having such a "hush hush" conversation and the monologue cannot be heard, is being put into some programs to see if it can be enhanced to hear what they were saying that they didn't want anyone else to hear. I have to question Gayla's lack of surprise when being told that Kelsey did not die from a seizure as she allegedly thought. As there was with Raye Dawn, there was absolutely no element of surprise or shock value when Gayla was told that Kelsey was murdered. NONE. What does that tell us?
Certain RD supporters want you to focus on Kathie and Lance. Why? They did not have opportunity or motive to kill Kelsey. For them to even try to focus on Mike Porter, still holds Raye Dawn accountable and responsible because RAYE DAWN lived in the home with Porter. Raye Dawn was court ordered to not have Kelsey around Porter...so what does she do? She marries him. Raye Dawn is the one who tells all the "excuses" and she is the one who says...well she was with Mike when that happened...to each and every incident. Let's say for sake of arguement for the moment, that all Kelsey's injuries were "accidents". How plausible is it that ALL the injuries or "accidents" happened when Raye Dawn was NOWHERE around? None of the injuries does she admit to being there with Kelsey when they happened. That is totally unreasonable. If they were "accidents", why lie? I mean gosh, she said that her and Kelsey were ALWAYS together. What she means by that I guess is that they were ALWAYS together EXCEPT for ALL those times that Kelsey was injured, bruised and beaten. So much for "ALWAYS" being together, huh?
If Raye Dawn had nothing to hide, then why did she lie to the OSBI agents during their questioning her? Did she really "want to know what happened to Kelsey" or did she already know?
Gayla says "we was starting to watch him". If Gayla, as Kelsey's other grandma, was concerned enough to start watching Porter, they why didn't she call and make her suspicions and concerns known to anyone at all? She didn't call DHS. She didn't call law enforcement. She didn't call the attorney. She didn't call "the Briggs". She didn't call the CASA worker. She did absolutely nothing about her alleged concerns and suspicions that were allegedly making her start "watching" Porter. Her own daughter had been accused of abusing Kelsey. Kelsey had been taken from Raye Dawn and embarrassed the whole family by DHS involvement in that family, because of suspision and allegations of abuse. Abuse had been confirmed against Kelsey nameing Gayla's own daughter as the "confirmed" abuser. If things were happening that was making it obvious enough to Gayla that Porter was the one hurting Kelsey why would she not contact SOMEONE and say HEY! this is what's going on and I think Porter is hurting Kelsey? or say something...anything???? Makes absolutely NO sense. As do most of the lies being told in defense of Raye Dawn do not make sense.
You fight lies with truth. Truth does not change. Facts do not change. Look at the youtube videos, not only being reposted on another blog, but all over youtube. How many of those videos promote hate against "the Briggs"? They say that Kelsey supporters promote hate against Raye Dawn, and someone else that wants to be important in this case and obviously wants to make some money off Kelsey's name, wants you to believe that a huge amount of hate is being promoted against her. But reality and truth is, if you search through youtube, you will see "who" it is that is "promoting hate" and the larger amount of "hate" is being promoted against "the Briggs", NOT against RD, the Smiths or the unknown self important person. That is fact folks.
In my opinion, no matter what we do or say we are not going to get the hate to stop. One person won't let it stop. They provoke it and no matter how much they say they want it to stop, I don't believe they do. Yes, that is my opinion. I believe they like the attention they get from it and they have a motive behind it all, which is easy to see. Probably more attention than they have ever gotten. It's sad that someone would use a dead child for their own personal agenda and gain, but there are many people out there that do just that. They don't care, they have no personal attachment to the child. I'm not stating this as fact, just my personal opinions after a long time of observation of the situation.
I wish they would hurry up with the appeal decision. Although I believe that she will lose her appeal, when that happens I also believe things will escalate towards the Briggs family. I hope I'm wrong on that.
Saturday, February 13, 2010
Oh...we ARE ready to listen...
To whatever you and the Smiths have to say.
Definition of empathy from the online dictionary: "em·pa·thy (mp-th)
n.
1. Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives
I disagree that "Jurors usually feel empathy for both sides no matter what they decide or rule". I'm pretty sure if you ask the jurors in any violent crime, esp. murder of a child that NO ONE has empathy for the guilty. How can you identify and understand how a mother can either murder her own child, or sit by and not protect her child from another? How would you understand and identify with the person, their feelings, and motives of the one guilty of killing Caylee Anthony? Can YOU understand and identify and understand that situation? What about BTK, Dennis Rader? Can you identify and understand his feelings and motives when he Bound, Tortured and Killed 10 people, two of them children? Can you understand and identify what he he did to little Joseph Otero? what about what he did to young Josephine? I can't, no matter how hard I might try ...understand or identify with that. And I thank God I can't identify with anything of that sick, disgusting nature.
My response to the recent posted video on another blog about one of the jurors from RD's trial.
Michelle Reeves wasn't a KP member until AFTER the trial. I know for a fact and it CAN be proven that KP was shut down during the trial.
"Why wasn't the second autopsy brought into Raye Dawn's trial that shows the sexual assault of Kelsey by Mike Porter?"
Why didn't Raye Dawn introduce it if it "proved" so much? Easy to answer. The second autopsy didn't "prove" sexual assault, nor that it was "Mike Porter" that committed sexual assault. It has NEVER been proven that there was a sexual assault committed in Kelsey's case. Those that say otherwise, LIE. THREE ME's could NOT AGREE that took place. Why do those people who support Raye Dawn insist something like that happened to little Kelsey when it has NOT been proven it had?? Easy again to answer, because to most people who do not know all the evidence and facts in the case think it points more towards Porter. What that second autopsy DID prove, which was NOT brought up at trial was that there indeed WAS another head injury (a skull fracture) to Kelsey which was in a different stage of healing than the injuries inflicted the day Kelsey was murdered. It DID prove abuse to Kelsey by other injuries in different stages of healing. But they don't want to talk about the truth about what that second autopsy DID in fact prove.
"Raye Dawn was never a suspect for murder."
This is also a lie. Raye Dawn was and IS still considered a "suspect" for Kelsey's murder. Even the Judge in the recent hearing on the DHS settlement money Raye Dawn tried to get, confirmed her still being a suspect.
"Why was this juror so interested in Raye Dawn getting a long sentence?"
I haven't asked her myself, but she did say that she believes from the evidence presented in court, (as did many) that Raye Dawn murdered Kelsey, most people want to see murderers get " a long sentence".
"Notice her new look and pink shirt in support of the Briggs at Raye Dawn's sentencing"
People who were and still do wear "pink" wear it in support of KELSEY, not "the Briggs". Why because she has a "new look" does that make her a bad and unfair juror or a "Briggs supporter"?
I don't understand on the video why the "Kathie, Kathie, Kathie, Briggs, Briggs, Briggs" She only mentions "Kathie" once during the time that is on the screen of the video.
"Juror turned family spokesperson for the Briggs. What????!!!"
I have never seen when said she was the "family spokesperson for the Briggs", nor did I ever see where any of the Briggs said that Reeves was appointed to speak for their family. This is just another lie and manipulation of the truth. This was AFTER the trial and the media was asking HER questions. By the sentencing she was no longer considered a juror and could speak to the Briggs or anyone else she wanted. Like I said very misleading statement and implications in this sorry video...it does present the TRUTH.
"Why was she so happy?"
She made it perfectly clear she was happy because Judge Vassar sentenced Raye Dawn to the full sentence the jury recomended. Plain as day.
"Responsibility for what? She didn't know!"
Her responsibility for what happened to her daughter! And YES, SHE DID KNOW! Facts and evidence PROVE she knew Kelsey was being abused!!! (if she wasn't doing it herself) She was convicted of she knew or should have known, not that she had to know it was "Porter" doing it. ( which is good cuz then THAT would be a lie, when it was Raye Dawn doing the abuse
Kathie didn't "quit" Kelsey. That is totally asinine to even say. They kept saying "What about Kelsey" in the video....my response to that is this....
That is what I would ask you..."What about Kelsey?" The only time they talk about Kelsey is when it is to benefit freeing her pathetic, sorry mother(my opinion) from prison. So what about her? What about the pain and terror, the confusion, the suffering and plain TORTURE that precious child went through in her 'mother's' care? the day she was brutally murdered? What about that?
You wanna know "what about Kelsey?" Let me tell ya...KELSEY is the victim in this case. KELSEY was the helpless, defenseless, innocent one that lived for months being abused and in pain and fear, in the very place she should have felt the safest...her own home...with the one person who should have done anything and everything to protect the life of her child...her 'mother' and instead it was the house of horrors, pain and abuse with the person who either KILLED her or allowed her to be killed...her very own 'mother'. KELSEY is the one who HAD NO CHOICES. KELSEY IS THE ONE WHO IS DEAD....BRUTALLY BEATEN TO DEATH...MURDERED at the tender age of 2 1/2 on Oct.11, 2005!! THAT is "what about Kelsey". I would like to ask Raye Dawn that very question myself.
Raye Dawn got a fair trial. She's not getting a new trial and even if she did, she's not getting out of her prison cell any time soon. That's my opinion of course. Time will tell. It is clear that the evidence and truth is being seen in court and by the Judges. Justice for Kelsey is what it's about, it's not about Raye Dawn, it's not about the people that are making up stories to tell, fabricating evidence and misrepresenting the truth and facts of the case and proclaiming that 'they' are a victim in this case. You cannot change the truth or facts and especially not by posting your opinions as fact. A lesson they will learn. These are also my opinions.
(3 posts in 24 hours...sorry, just lots to say today)
Definition of empathy from the online dictionary: "em·pa·thy (mp-th)
n.
1. Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives
I disagree that "Jurors usually feel empathy for both sides no matter what they decide or rule". I'm pretty sure if you ask the jurors in any violent crime, esp. murder of a child that NO ONE has empathy for the guilty. How can you identify and understand how a mother can either murder her own child, or sit by and not protect her child from another? How would you understand and identify with the person, their feelings, and motives of the one guilty of killing Caylee Anthony? Can YOU understand and identify and understand that situation? What about BTK, Dennis Rader? Can you identify and understand his feelings and motives when he Bound, Tortured and Killed 10 people, two of them children? Can you understand and identify what he he did to little Joseph Otero? what about what he did to young Josephine? I can't, no matter how hard I might try ...understand or identify with that. And I thank God I can't identify with anything of that sick, disgusting nature.
My response to the recent posted video on another blog about one of the jurors from RD's trial.
Michelle Reeves wasn't a KP member until AFTER the trial. I know for a fact and it CAN be proven that KP was shut down during the trial.
"Why wasn't the second autopsy brought into Raye Dawn's trial that shows the sexual assault of Kelsey by Mike Porter?"
Why didn't Raye Dawn introduce it if it "proved" so much? Easy to answer. The second autopsy didn't "prove" sexual assault, nor that it was "Mike Porter" that committed sexual assault. It has NEVER been proven that there was a sexual assault committed in Kelsey's case. Those that say otherwise, LIE. THREE ME's could NOT AGREE that took place. Why do those people who support Raye Dawn insist something like that happened to little Kelsey when it has NOT been proven it had?? Easy again to answer, because to most people who do not know all the evidence and facts in the case think it points more towards Porter. What that second autopsy DID prove, which was NOT brought up at trial was that there indeed WAS another head injury (a skull fracture) to Kelsey which was in a different stage of healing than the injuries inflicted the day Kelsey was murdered. It DID prove abuse to Kelsey by other injuries in different stages of healing. But they don't want to talk about the truth about what that second autopsy DID in fact prove.
"Raye Dawn was never a suspect for murder."
This is also a lie. Raye Dawn was and IS still considered a "suspect" for Kelsey's murder. Even the Judge in the recent hearing on the DHS settlement money Raye Dawn tried to get, confirmed her still being a suspect.
"Why was this juror so interested in Raye Dawn getting a long sentence?"
I haven't asked her myself, but she did say that she believes from the evidence presented in court, (as did many) that Raye Dawn murdered Kelsey, most people want to see murderers get " a long sentence".
"Notice her new look and pink shirt in support of the Briggs at Raye Dawn's sentencing"
People who were and still do wear "pink" wear it in support of KELSEY, not "the Briggs". Why because she has a "new look" does that make her a bad and unfair juror or a "Briggs supporter"?
I don't understand on the video why the "Kathie, Kathie, Kathie, Briggs, Briggs, Briggs" She only mentions "Kathie" once during the time that is on the screen of the video.
"Juror turned family spokesperson for the Briggs. What????!!!"
I have never seen when said she was the "family spokesperson for the Briggs", nor did I ever see where any of the Briggs said that Reeves was appointed to speak for their family. This is just another lie and manipulation of the truth. This was AFTER the trial and the media was asking HER questions. By the sentencing she was no longer considered a juror and could speak to the Briggs or anyone else she wanted. Like I said very misleading statement and implications in this sorry video...it does present the TRUTH.
"Why was she so happy?"
She made it perfectly clear she was happy because Judge Vassar sentenced Raye Dawn to the full sentence the jury recomended. Plain as day.
"Responsibility for what? She didn't know!"
Her responsibility for what happened to her daughter! And YES, SHE DID KNOW! Facts and evidence PROVE she knew Kelsey was being abused!!! (if she wasn't doing it herself) She was convicted of she knew or should have known, not that she had to know it was "Porter" doing it. ( which is good cuz then THAT would be a lie, when it was Raye Dawn doing the abuse
Kathie didn't "quit" Kelsey. That is totally asinine to even say. They kept saying "What about Kelsey" in the video....my response to that is this....
That is what I would ask you..."What about Kelsey?" The only time they talk about Kelsey is when it is to benefit freeing her pathetic, sorry mother(my opinion) from prison. So what about her? What about the pain and terror, the confusion, the suffering and plain TORTURE that precious child went through in her 'mother's' care? the day she was brutally murdered? What about that?
You wanna know "what about Kelsey?" Let me tell ya...KELSEY is the victim in this case. KELSEY was the helpless, defenseless, innocent one that lived for months being abused and in pain and fear, in the very place she should have felt the safest...her own home...with the one person who should have done anything and everything to protect the life of her child...her 'mother' and instead it was the house of horrors, pain and abuse with the person who either KILLED her or allowed her to be killed...her very own 'mother'. KELSEY is the one who HAD NO CHOICES. KELSEY IS THE ONE WHO IS DEAD....BRUTALLY BEATEN TO DEATH...MURDERED at the tender age of 2 1/2 on Oct.11, 2005!! THAT is "what about Kelsey". I would like to ask Raye Dawn that very question myself.
Raye Dawn got a fair trial. She's not getting a new trial and even if she did, she's not getting out of her prison cell any time soon. That's my opinion of course. Time will tell. It is clear that the evidence and truth is being seen in court and by the Judges. Justice for Kelsey is what it's about, it's not about Raye Dawn, it's not about the people that are making up stories to tell, fabricating evidence and misrepresenting the truth and facts of the case and proclaiming that 'they' are a victim in this case. You cannot change the truth or facts and especially not by posting your opinions as fact. A lesson they will learn. These are also my opinions.
(3 posts in 24 hours...sorry, just lots to say today)
Thoroughly disgusted!
I am thoroughly disgusted by this! I will assure you this has been sent to the attorney's. For someone to suggest that Kathie had Mike hurt Kelsey and it "went a lil too far", and then for the author of that book to agree and encourage that thought process and not put a stop to something she knows is not true, is disgusting. She will be held accountable. Guess she didn't read Wendy's law quotes she sent everyone, including the author. I won't say anymore than that on that subject for now.
Another thing too...another screenshot I received with the above one states that she is putting the hate mail she got in her book after she was "exposed to Kelsey's Purpose". She says she knew nothing about KP at that time. I guess she has already forgotten that there is proof she is truthseeker and we have copies of posts from her on KP before that all happened. Another lie. And this book is truthful? Whatever.
I was also told she's still debating on naming names. Says she talked to legal counsel and was told hands needed slapped. My opinion is, I doubt an attorney would encourage the revealing of names. The law is very clear on that. I've got a feeling there is going to be some major lawsuits over this POS book (my opinion).
Also, there's a second book in the works already. lol I deleted the comment I wrote for this paragraph. Too early in the morning lol
Have a great weekend everyone. Happy Valentines Day to you all!
This is for Wendy....
This is my response to you for your comment to me posted below....
"When your group of supporters write nasty things and broad brush a group of Raye Smith supporters, you entice the fools to come out. People with limited intelligence start to think they are really smart and then not only try to hurt others, but then hurt you as well.
You may wish to speak to this person who posted on Who Killed Kelsey?
This is her beautiful poem. This only makes your advocacy be broad brushed in a similar way. You don't all want to be judged by the lowest IQ in your group do you?"
First of all Wendy, "I" don't have a "group of supporters", or a "group" period. "I" don't entice "fools" to come out. "I" am not responsible for what others post on any site. Others are entitled to their "opinions" and thoughts, the same as you and your pal, whether they are "fools" or have the "lowest IQ" or not, and whether you and/or I agree with them or not. They are just that, "their" opinions and thoughts. I haven't seen that poem nor who wrote it and you failed to mention the culprit.
I find it interesting that you came here with this...many would say the same about what goes on at your pals blog that you not only participate in, but also entice and encourage. You said "you don't all want to be judged by the lowest IQ in your group do you?" And here I thought a good Christian such as yourself wasn't in the habit of "judging" others, let alone "judging" them based on someone else. You don't like it that people "judge" Raye Dawn, yet you do the very same thing. Almost daily I see you "judge" Kathie and/or Lance and others. Again, the word "hypocrite" comes to mind. YOU write, encourage and support "nasty things" and lies "to hurt others" that are written on your pals blog daily, so I guess you know now that that only hurts not only you but Raye Dawn too, right? I mean that is what you are telling me? right?
Maybe you should clean your own backyard before you come here to tell me to clean mine and how to do it? I could throw some scripture back at you, like you like to do, but you see, I'm not shallow like that....I don't need to hide behind scripture and "God" to justify in my own mind and heart what I say and/or do.
I'm sure your pal will whine on her blog about how I'm attacking you, and I'm not. I'm only posting in response to your comments directly to me.
Have a great weekend. Blessings to you and yours.
Update: I read your "comment" on your pals blog....you can't imagine Raye Dawn's pain and sadness? Can you imagine Kelsey's? Her pain, sadness and suffering? Just wondering as it seems all your compassion and concern is always reserved for and in reference to... the prison princess. NOTHING Raye Dawn will ever go through or feel will EVER compare to what Kelsey went through and felt. And the thing is? Raye Dawn had choices, that innocent, defenseless baby did not.
"When your group of supporters write nasty things and broad brush a group of Raye Smith supporters, you entice the fools to come out. People with limited intelligence start to think they are really smart and then not only try to hurt others, but then hurt you as well.
You may wish to speak to this person who posted on Who Killed Kelsey?
This is her beautiful poem. This only makes your advocacy be broad brushed in a similar way. You don't all want to be judged by the lowest IQ in your group do you?"
First of all Wendy, "I" don't have a "group of supporters", or a "group" period. "I" don't entice "fools" to come out. "I" am not responsible for what others post on any site. Others are entitled to their "opinions" and thoughts, the same as you and your pal, whether they are "fools" or have the "lowest IQ" or not, and whether you and/or I agree with them or not. They are just that, "their" opinions and thoughts. I haven't seen that poem nor who wrote it and you failed to mention the culprit.
I find it interesting that you came here with this...many would say the same about what goes on at your pals blog that you not only participate in, but also entice and encourage. You said "you don't all want to be judged by the lowest IQ in your group do you?" And here I thought a good Christian such as yourself wasn't in the habit of "judging" others, let alone "judging" them based on someone else. You don't like it that people "judge" Raye Dawn, yet you do the very same thing. Almost daily I see you "judge" Kathie and/or Lance and others. Again, the word "hypocrite" comes to mind. YOU write, encourage and support "nasty things" and lies "to hurt others" that are written on your pals blog daily, so I guess you know now that that only hurts not only you but Raye Dawn too, right? I mean that is what you are telling me? right?
Maybe you should clean your own backyard before you come here to tell me to clean mine and how to do it? I could throw some scripture back at you, like you like to do, but you see, I'm not shallow like that....I don't need to hide behind scripture and "God" to justify in my own mind and heart what I say and/or do.
I'm sure your pal will whine on her blog about how I'm attacking you, and I'm not. I'm only posting in response to your comments directly to me.
Have a great weekend. Blessings to you and yours.
Update: I read your "comment" on your pals blog....you can't imagine Raye Dawn's pain and sadness? Can you imagine Kelsey's? Her pain, sadness and suffering? Just wondering as it seems all your compassion and concern is always reserved for and in reference to... the prison princess. NOTHING Raye Dawn will ever go through or feel will EVER compare to what Kelsey went through and felt. And the thing is? Raye Dawn had choices, that innocent, defenseless baby did not.
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